Join the Best Live Fantasy Chat Community! But "You were basing your entire argument on his conversion % off one season." That means that Marte, while stealing more bases, actually did literally nothing last year to help his team.
Good thinking, but at this point it doesn't look that way. At least not as much as Cain. By baltimore_boy, December 15, 2013 in Fantasy Baseball Talk.
In any case, at what point do you think the team would step in anyway? Lorenzo Cain 2019 Outlook NOTICE: No Bench Coach Discussion in This Forum.
Marte was 33 of 47 for 70.2% Conversion, Lorenzo Cain was 30 of 37 for 81.1% Conversion. By colepenhagen, January 18, 2016 in Fantasy Baseball Talk. By -- Mike Podhorzer. It's a different argument because you brought up a different question. Cain's line-up spot may also arguably be more valuable than Marte's. Right now I think I feel more comfortable taking Lorenzo Cain than Starling Marte, and I get to take Cain a few rounds later. You are or were making a definitive argument: The Pirates will not have Marte stop stealing. Last year Marte had twice as many bombs, more steals and almost twice as many RBI's as Cain, all in less PA's than Cain. That's wasn't the exchange. colepenhagen 3,317 colepenhagen 3,317 All-Time Great; Established Members; 3,317 16,866 posts; …
Archived. Join the Best Live Fantasy Chat Community! 1 month ago Milwaukee Brewers outfielder Lorenzo Cain has opted out of the 2020 season due to concerns related to COVID-19. Marte hit less than 10 the previous two years.
When you think about it, as good as Milwaukee was last year, the back half was a bit empty. He certainly doesn't need to hit 20+ HR to justify his cost, but he's not exactly going at a discount, either. Quietly good year again last year in AVG leagues (.308) and OBP leagues (.395).
His career rate is 83.1%, substantially above the break-even point. All I care about is the number of successful ones. You can post now and register later.
If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Now you're saying you think he will improve or do no worse. Raw SBs are one number. I don't think Cain needs to make a swing change to get up to just a few more HRs/RBIs, but regardless he's a good BA/R/SB guy and I like the draft day price, personally. That's my point. I wouldn't dream of taking Cain before Marte. At an older age as you mention, Cain's SB Conversion% and more than likely benefit to his own team was FAR greater than what Starling Marte provided. I'm saying you have no reason to expect that he's going to have a low enough success rate for the the team to even think about stepping in in the first place.
You were basing your entire argument on his conversion % off one season, while ignoring very good rates from all the other recent years. Lorenzo Cain rips 10th home run Thursday. It's obviously not low, but for a near .400OBP guy batting lead off in a high powered offense everyday, how the bleeding hell did he only get 90 runs last year!? I see no reason whatsoever to think he would drop below a 70% success rate, so no I don't think the Pirates are going to hold him back at all. For fantasy purposes, I don't really care about conversion rate for established base stealers. Brown Misses Another Practice Thursday, Laviska Shenault Jr. But is there still a chance he has that breakout power year we hoped for and hits 20 dongs? So is he older? Marte is going to run more often than Cain. But you're changing the goal posts on me.
Dude has been really underwhelming at the top of that Brewers lineup. That's bold. 70.2% is below the break even point for Stolen Bases with less-than-two outs. DerrickHenrysCleats, September 4
The argument for Marte getting the red light is a bit of a stretch.
Let's be clear: I think one dynamic being broached in this argument is the clear difference between Fantasy Value and Real Life Value. Boring doesn't have to be bad for fantasy. This (Cain) is a profile in which I see far less risk than in Marte. To pretend that any organization is going to ignore this factor entirely is in error, as it treats the GM / Manager as if they're compiling stats for fantasy baseball. He's out tonight (v Mad Max) but might return Tues (v Stras)...they will be cautious here but he does not like missing time...I might consider sitting in weekly if you have good alternatives? We don't agree. I'm against the market in changing. Marte may have stolen 33 Bases for the Pittsburgh Pirates, but he gained them absolutely nothing, and may have even lost them Net value last year on the basepaths. I expected a lot more.
Archived . I asked twice if we can be definitive on that.
He's not going at too much of a discount, and his RBI numbers weren't great last year, but he isn't going at too expensive of a price either. If you don't see it that way, I dont' draft for your teams brother. Prev; 1; 2; Next; Page 1 of 2 . Heading into his age 30 season, there's a strong chance he fails to hit the 30 steal plateau for the first time over a full season.